Comments for vizZzion.org :: sebas' blog http://vizZzion.org/blog Sebastian Kügler's web log Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:51:15 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Tokamak.finished() by sebas http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-392 sebas Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:51:15 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-392 Sounds like a sensible thing to do, indeed. I don't think it's done at this point. Do you feel like having a look into it and providing a patch? (Admittedly, it's not very high in my personal TODO, as I don't have to use any proxy at all.) Sounds like a sensible thing to do, indeed. I don’t think it’s done at this point. Do you feel like having a look into it and providing a patch? (Admittedly, it’s not very high in my personal TODO, as I don’t have to use any proxy at all.)

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by Jens Uhlenbrock http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-388 Jens Uhlenbrock Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:12:04 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-388 IMO, one big shortcoming of KDE's network management is the lacking possibility to set a proxy server for a certain connection. I was in the library on Friday and there I have to use a proxy to enter the web. Of course, I forgot about that now and it took me 15 minutes to figure out, why my internet was not working on my laptop. My N900 had no difficulties with this as it stores proxies for certain internet connections. For a mobile device, that makes much more sense. IMO, one big shortcoming of KDE’s network management is the lacking possibility to set a proxy server for a certain connection. I was in the library on Friday and there I have to use a proxy to enter the web. Of course, I forgot about that now and it took me 15 minutes to figure out, why my internet was not working on my laptop. My N900 had no difficulties with this as it stores proxies for certain internet connections. For a mobile device, that makes much more sense.

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by Thorsten Schnebeck http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-387 Thorsten Schnebeck Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:44:36 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-387 Hi Will, thanks for your information. A few questions for a better understanding: Does a second kded moan about not getting NetworkManagerUserSettings service? When kded of the first session quits does kded of the second session take over NetworkManagerUserSettings service automagically? Makes it sense to run a third kded before kdm starts that only handle NetworkManagerUserSettings for all users and use the remote plasmoid feature for the session users? Bye Thorsten Hi Will,

thanks for your information. A few questions for a better understanding: Does a second kded moan about not getting NetworkManagerUserSettings service? When kded of the first session quits does kded of the second session take over NetworkManagerUserSettings service automagically? Makes it sense to run a third kded before kdm starts that only handle NetworkManagerUserSettings for all users and use the remote plasmoid feature for the session users?

Bye

Thorsten

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by Will Stephenson http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-383 Will Stephenson Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:16:31 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-383 There can be only one NetworkManagerUserSettings service. In KNetworkManager the settings service and the UI are in the same process, so on a second login as Thorsten notices, the UI will not start. For the plasmoid the settings service runs inside KDED so this will not start in the second session, but the separate Plasma widget UI can display status. Whether it may control networking depends on your system's dbus policies. There can be only one NetworkManagerUserSettings service. In KNetworkManager the settings service and the UI are in the same process, so on a second login as Thorsten notices, the UI will not start.

For the plasmoid the settings service runs inside KDED so this will not start in the second session, but the separate Plasma widget UI can display status. Whether it may control networking depends on your system’s dbus policies.

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by Magnus http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-381 Magnus Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:25:00 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-381 Great to hear about the progress. I wonder if the networkmanager will be able to handle bluetooth connected (after the connection has been established) mobile phone modems? Or is it already? That has often been a bit of a hassle, I think. Great to hear about the progress. I wonder if the networkmanager will be able to handle bluetooth connected (after the connection has been established) mobile phone modems? Or is it already? That has often been a bit of a hassle, I think.

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by schnebeck http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-377 schnebeck Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:11:33 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-377 Hi sebas, my use case is the PC of my parents. Each one uses a separate session. On one day my father is the first person who login its session after booting the PC, another day my mother runs the first session of the day. With current knetworkmanager the second session user have an unwanted info message that knetworkmanager already runs and if you want to keep starting it every session. When you now close the first running session of the day the remaining user loose control over the network. He has to logout and login and thats plain wrong for a multi user desktop. You can simply test it with "switch user->new session" (K->Verlassen->Benutzer wechseln->Neue Sitzung) Do you get the info message? Now switch back to the first session and close this one. Back on KDM you can choose from the menu the remaining session. Do you have a working network? Oh, maybe an important hint. I talk about wlan network with wpa keys! If you use standard lan that needs no kwallet stored pass-phrase the network runs without knetworkmanager! So if I understand you correct, I have to switch from knetworkmanager to networkmanager plasmoid in both sessions when its ready to get rid of unwanted info windows and to have permantent network control? Thanks Thorsten Hi sebas,

my use case is the PC of my parents. Each one uses a separate session. On one day my father is the first person who login its session after booting the PC, another day my mother runs the first session of the day. With current knetworkmanager the second session user have an unwanted info message that knetworkmanager already runs and if you want to keep starting it every session. When you now close the first running session of the day the remaining user loose control over the network. He has to logout and login and thats plain wrong for a multi user desktop.

You can simply test it with “switch user->new session” (K->Verlassen->Benutzer wechseln->Neue Sitzung) Do you get the info message? Now switch back to the first session and close this one. Back on KDM you can choose from the menu the remaining session. Do you have a working network? Oh, maybe an important hint. I talk about wlan network with wpa keys! If you use standard lan that needs no kwallet stored pass-phrase the network runs without knetworkmanager!

So if I understand you correct, I have to switch from knetworkmanager to networkmanager plasmoid in both sessions when its ready to get rid of unwanted info windows and to have permantent network control?

Thanks

Thorsten

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by sebas http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-375 sebas Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:46:15 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-375 Catch up on sleep and attend the Depeche Mode concert tonight. Catch up on sleep and attend the Depeche Mode concert tonight.

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by sebas http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-374 sebas Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:45:47 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-374 I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but NetworkManager can only have one client attached. If you use the Plasmoid, you can have multiple, thanks to its design. knetworkmanager however can only be run once. I’m not sure what you mean exactly, but NetworkManager can only have one client attached. If you use the Plasmoid, you can have multiple, thanks to its design. knetworkmanager however can only be run once.

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by openid.the-user.org/ http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-371 openid.the-user.org/ Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:52:41 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-371 What will you do in Düsseldorf? What will you do in Düsseldorf?

]]> Comment on Tokamak.finished() by schnebeck http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/comment-page-1/#comment-370 schnebeck Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:44:31 +0000 http://vizZzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/#comment-370 Nice to read about improvement of the network management user interface. I notice in current kubuntu kde 4.4 packages the KDE network manager is not multi session capable. A first session grabs the interface. When I start a second session I get a notification, that the user interface cannot be started. When I now close the first session, the remaining session has not user interface(!) Its a regression to kde 3.x Bye Thorsten Nice to read about improvement of the network management user interface. I notice in current kubuntu kde 4.4 packages the KDE network manager is not multi session capable. A first session grabs the interface. When I start a second session I get a notification, that the user interface cannot be started. When I now close the first session, the remaining session has not user interface(!) Its a regression to kde 3.x

Bye

Thorsten

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